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Patrick Mathieson's avatar

Another lens to look at this is, are tariffs more recessionary (I.E. they reduce aggregate demand) than they are inflationary?

If certain trade policies materialize as effective embargoes (for example U.S. China trade a few weeks ago) then economic activity may be halting altogether in certain sectors. I imagine this materializes differently in the CPI/PPI than more modest tariffs.

As a fun little data point from my family, I noticed that our family credit card expenditures were 1/3 below normal in April compared to the prior few month averages. Maybe we were feeling poorer given the state of our portfolio? I know that Visa and Mastercard didn’t detect that same effect societywide, but I certainly saw some corporate belt-tightening at our portfolio companies.

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Justin Fouranno's avatar

Sorry it’s long, but hoping you give a read and reply with what you think at some point, lol.

As you allude to, CPI and what we broadly call “prices”, “inflation” etc encompasses a massive basket. Within that, tariffs affect imports & goods/services that use imports as inputs.

Tariffs are complicated because of how passing the costs through can result in substitution.

Someone referenced recessionary effects which is part of that equation. So doubting that the end result is higher prices shouldn’t be conflated with saying that tariffs aren’t deleterious, though I definitely see people who support tariffs using arguments that basically describe bad outcomes to win the narrow battle on price effects without conceding the blow in the greater war on the wisdom of tariffs.

I think that treatment of tariffs as a concept has been way too alarmist, compared to how ESG policies were treated, which have been catastrophic on energy (prices and security) and other aspects of the supply chain in ways that aren’t just increasing price levels but truly inflationary, while simultaneously kneecapping productivity, competitiveness, and overall growth.

Trump’s specific form of tariff policy is the worst possible execution. Its maximally disruptive, maximizes the pain while minimizes any gains (as opposed to announcing tariffs a year out which would have the opposite effect), and also puts all the focus there for his department heads who could have been deregulating in the meantime to offset the tariffs, then pivoting to negotiations to ensure they’re not enacted anyway. Yes, it did give credibility to the threats and did help with playing chicken with China, but even there, the rates being so high offset those gains by being facially unsustainable.

I guess overall my point is that talk of how bad tariffs are was overblown by people like Larry Summers who accepted (with much less opprobrium) far more deleterious policies like in the pursuit of net zero and other environmental goals—which actually created famines in some instances, I believe in Sri Lanka, and raised costs on the essential good of *food*—and were indeed inflationary in the purest sense across the board.

If Trump had executed the sequencing properly, things would be way better, but lower US gas prices are still forecasted for 2025 and 2026 and that will have a huge up front affect for consumers filling the tank and on the back end when lower fuel inputs offset some of the rises, as just one example of the ways I think this might net out to the lower, in addition to negotiations. All of this happens against backdrop of AI integration, which won’t be rapid but will pick up steam as capabilities leap frog forward such that they’re undeniable and the tasks that could be replaced in, say, November of 2024 gets rapid uptake in the coming months as the advanced capabilities make the trivial a no-brainer to remain competitive.

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